Curse

HawkofStorms · Sep 18, 2009, 01:49 PM // 13:49

Remember when farming griffons was considered an unbelievable way to make money? Remember Vermin farming being all the rage? Those builds are pathetic now in comparrision to what we have in GW:EN.

GW:EN changed all that. Now, with the OP farm builds PvE has (kegging vaetarr's and raptors mainly), we get way more kills faster then ever before. And when nerfs happen like the reccent MoR nerf (which doesn't even really kill raptor farming, just the most popular current version, wary stance says hi), people complain epically. But really, those farm builds need to be toned down to bring them in line with the solo farms available in the rest of the game. Complaining about the nerfs to those farms only proves that they were too good, since people obviously care way too much.

(yes 600 dungeon running and SF are also overpowered, but those are mostly speed clears through dungeons/missions and are a whole new ball game from farming. That is a whole other ballgame so keep that out of this thread discussion).

upier · Sep 18, 2009, 02:07 PM // 14:07

So farming griffs provides you with the millions of gold needed to max chests, IDs, Lucky, Unlucky, booze, sweets, ...?
These days GW seems to be all about insane counters to insane issues instead of actual fixes.

athariel · Sep 18, 2009, 02:20 PM // 14:20

vaettirs and raptors OP? lol...

mastar of warrior · Sep 18, 2009, 02:23 PM // 14:23

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Originally Posted by athariel

vaettirs and raptors OP? lol...

When you could keg farm the Vaettirs, it would give you 60 kills in 3-5 minutes.
Wich gave you alot of event items at events.

athariel · Sep 18, 2009, 02:26 PM // 14:26

ok, perhaps during events it's pretty much overpowered, but apart from that, you are lucky if you get a gold drop in 3-5 minutes

DarkGanni · Sep 18, 2009, 02:34 PM // 14:34

Welcome to GW and speed clear era, because that's all GW has become Grind + SC. Play a dungeon with a balanced 8 man build where everyone participates? Only a few still do that.

Speed clears are "part of the game" now, nerf the precious SF and you'll see Obsidian Flesh coming up in UW. If 600 is nerfed, some form of 55hp build would come up.

Conclusion: We're running in circles since 2005.

Killerminds · Sep 18, 2009, 02:35 PM // 14:35

I suggest taking GW:EN out of the game

Dzjudz · Sep 18, 2009, 02:46 PM // 14:46

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Originally Posted by mastar of warrior

When you could keg farm the Vaettirs, it would give you 60 kills in 3-5 minutes.
Wich gave you alot of event items at events.

And you can still get 30+ kills from raptors in under 2 minutes consistently.

Shayne Hawke · Sep 18, 2009, 02:49 PM // 14:49

I agree, we should kill off a lot of those more versatile farms that have brought about the massive farming mentality. And when I say that, I'm focusing on any builds that have a similar efficiency, effectiveness, and success to Shadow Form or 600/Smite teams. Solo farms geared to specific areas usually aren't so bad, but when a single build with slight variants can tackle most areas in the game, things are wrong.

HawkofStorms · Sep 18, 2009, 02:49 PM // 14:49

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Originally Posted by athariel

vaettirs and raptors OP? lol...

Have you actually bothered to think about it in comparison to other farm builds? They are far outliers from other runs, which do make them OP (compared to everything else, which is the baseline). Again, speedclears are more efficient ways to make money, and are a whole different issue. But you can't deny the fact that these runs kill more high level foes, faster, then any other build.

X-Plosiv · Sep 18, 2009, 02:50 PM // 14:50

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Originally Posted by mastar of warrior

When you could keg farm the Vaettirs, it would give you 60 kills in 3-5 minutes.
Wich gave you alot of event items at events.

1 min my friend 1 min. I was testing it, the fastest i could do is kill all 60, take items and ID them, type /age it would be 1min, and then zone out [with another simult game so i was using alt+tab and then x+r]. Solo farming really spoiled most of it. I wish we get nerf of sf and 600/smite.

I`m officer in UWSC guild btw, which consist all the time of SC either uw, fow, dungeons etc.
shit need to get nerf

Sarevok Thordin · Sep 18, 2009, 03:25 PM // 15:25

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Originally Posted by Killerminds

I suggest taking GW:EN out of the game

Never! My HoM is my pride and joy.
(R3 Glad Monument, still more than any PvE monument to me)

coil · Sep 18, 2009, 05:17 PM // 17:17

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Originally Posted by HawkofStorms

Have you actually bothered to think about it in comparison to other farm builds? They are far outliers from other runs, which do make them OP (compared to everything else, which is the baseline). Again, speedclears are more efficient ways to make money, and are a whole different issue. But you can't deny the fact that these runs kill more high level foes, faster, then any other build.

incentive to buy gwen. you want better farms? better skins? rarer items? ridiculously powerful skills? faster rewards? buy our expansion. oh and there's also a small story included. makes sense to me...

besides how old is this game? not everyone still has something left to do. the "SC mentality" is unavoidable as people "finish" the game(s).

are you going to complain that it's easier to farm event items in Pre next?

drunk n angry · Sep 18, 2009, 05:25 PM // 17:25

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Originally Posted by Killerminds

I suggest taking GW:EN out of the game

if you really feel this way i suggest you unistall guildwars from your pc. GW:EN brought alot of great things to the game. my guild does a dungeon run nearly every night where we all just team up and bring whatever we want to and run the dungeon with a 8 man group that usually always works no matter what we bring.

i'm so sick or hearing about people whining about this should be nerfed this should be nerfed, this should be taken from the game, this is outragous just stop with all the hating and love the game... if you dont enjoy the game then plz uninstall and go out and buy a copy of aion which i hear is supposed to be an awesome game once it gets released if it hasnt already.. i will be playing gw1 til gw2 comes out cuz i LOVE the game and still enjoy it greatly. i dont care how other players play the game it dont effect me in any manner what so ever.

Tijger · Sep 18, 2009, 05:30 PM // 17:30

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Originally Posted by Killerminds

I suggest taking GW:EN out of the game

Oh thanks, I happen to like GW:EN and no, I'm not a farmer, never even done a raptor run once.

Eduhard · Sep 18, 2009, 05:33 PM // 17:33

Grind titles -> grind gameplay

refer · Sep 18, 2009, 05:33 PM // 17:33

Farming spoiled solo farmers.

cellardweller · Sep 18, 2009, 05:35 PM // 17:35

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Originally Posted by HawkofStorms

Remember when farming griffons was considered an unbelievable way to make money? Remember Vermin farming being all the rage? Those builds are pathetic now in comparrision to what we have in GW:EN.

Griffs then were worth way more than raptors are today, you only got 18 or so griffs and 6minos in 5-6 mins, however:
1) Linen was worth 800-1k each. 5 mino horns gave you 2.5 linen
2) Unid'd golds were worth 2-20k depending on the skin and req (and people didn't realise that weapons could be "pre-tested").
3) +30 and +5 mods would go for 20-100k
4) A 15>50 went for 100k+ even for crappy skins
5) There was a perfect "futures" market available in the form of monstrous items/gems that you could invest in instead of ecto.

Deakon · Sep 18, 2009, 05:48 PM // 17:48

Ridiculously expensive titles should be nerfed. Sweet Tooth, Wisdom, Lucky/Unlucky, Drunkard, Party Animal etc etc. Some of us haven't been playing since beta. I think reasonable title maxing would decrease farm/grind. It would still occur but not at the level it is currently. Announcing that titles displayed in the HoM carrying over somehow to GW2 hasn't helped much either.

If they removed PvP entirely from the game, I'd be willing to bet that 90%+ of the complaints on this forum concerning OP skills would disappear.

Personally though, I really hope they nerf SF soon. I'll make more money that way. 600, 55, 330, SF etc. are all very easy farm builds but they're nowhere near as profitable as other solo farm builds.

Painbringer · Sep 18, 2009, 06:11 PM // 18:11

Farming Trolls for elite armor was the bomb

Nerf one tweak another stir it up and let us evolve over and over till GW2 comes out